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ANDERSON COOPER: Well, Iran, of course, has become a
major player in Iraq. And, in Iraq tonight, there's
been more bloodshed, more sectarian violence.
The Bush administration will not say it's a civil
war. But today, U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan
weighed in on the possibility. Listen.
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KOFI ANNAN, U.N. SECRETARY-GENERAL: If they can
address the needs and common interests of all Iraqis,
the promise of peace and prosperity is still within
reach. But if current patterns of alienation and
violence persist much longer, there is a great danger
that the Iraqi state will break down, possibly in the
midst of the full-scale civil war.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
COOPER: Michael Ware joins from Baghdad now with more
on Annan's comments and the possibility of civil war.
What do you think, Michael? Based on what you have
been seeing on the ground, do you think Annan is
right?
MICHAEL WARE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, we're very,
very close to it, if we're not already there,
Anderson. I think now it's just a matter of
semantics.
I mean, yesterday morning, there was 14 more tortured
and executed bodies that were found on the streets of
the capital. That, in Baghdad terms, is a low day.
That's a good day. It brought the week's total to 198
bodies found. That's up from 150, all attributed to
the sectarian violence. That doesn't account for the
bodies that are found by the families and removed
independently.
That's also not accounting for conflicts in the
numbers between Iraqi government authorities and U.S.
military authorities. I mean, people are dying here
in droves. They're being hauled from their homes,
hauled from the streets, shot in drive-bys. They're
being beheaded, and they're being tortured, all in
the name of sectarian violence -- Anderson.
COOPER: Yeah, why the torture? I mean, when you read
about how some of these people were kidnapped, and
then how their bodies were found, I mean, people with
power-drilled -- you know, their heads were
power-drilled in. I mean, why torture people like
that?
WARE: It's not just their heads. They're finding
drill marks throughout their bodies, suggesting that
they're starting down and working their way up.
It seems that these people are experiencing an
excruciating death, almost beyond imagination. It's
brought me to ask some members of some of these
militias about the torturers. Can you imagine who
these men are? They must have a cell or a bloodied
room somewhere, where all they do is bring in victim
after victim, and just torture them to death.
Why? It's not to extract information. It's not for
any military purpose. They are just torturing them
for the sake of torturing them. This is about
provocation. This is about religious fervor and
hatred gone berserk.
So, they're just torturing them to send a signal to
other members of their sect. It's just pure, bloodied
provocation -- Anderson.
COOPER: And it's Shia vs. Sunni, Sunni vs. Shia. I
mean, it goes -- they're -- both sides torturing one
another?
WARE: Absolutely. It goes both ways. And, at the end
of the day, in the very, very beginning of all of
this, you have to give the credit, ultimately, to one
man that not only the U.S. forces could not stop, but
who, by default, they created. And that's the now
dead leader of al-Qaeda in Iraq, Abu Musab
al-Zarqawi.
Zarqawi laid this out more than two years ago. In a
captured letter to Osama bin Laden, we saw it for the
first time. He said: Let's provoke the Shia. Let's go
out there and antagonize them. Let's butcher them.
Let's force them to rise up against the Sunni. It is
only this that will awake the sleeping giant, the
Sunni beast. And then we will rise up in the great
holy war.
It's all down to Zarqawi -- Anderson.
COOPER: And his bloody legacy continues.
Michael Ware, appreciate it. Stay safe,
Michael.