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WOLF BLITZER: So is the
terror report telling Iraqis anything they don't know
already?
Who better to ask that than our man on the ground in
Baghdad.
And joining us now, our correspondent in Baghdad,
Michael Ware -- Michael, among other things, this
National Intelligence Estimate report suggests that
Al Qaeda is seeking to leverage al Qaeda in Iraq for
attacks against U.S. targets outside of Iraq.
Now, you've actually reported on this extensively.
You've met with al Qaeda operatives inside Iraq.
Is that your assessment as well?
MICHAEL WARE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, let me say
this first, Wolf. I mean, that statement in the NIE
is about three years too late. The fact that al Qaeda
has reorganized itself through the war in Iraq that
America handed it on a silver platter in its own
backyard, that the war here through al Qaeda in Iraq
has energized the jihadi community across the globe,
that it has produced a whole new generation of
jihadis -- bolder, more brazen and more brutal and
more committed, if that's at all possible, than the
generation before it -- is old news.
We saw that happen back in 2004. Since then, we've
seen it nothing but flourish.
The question, though, is: will an attack directly
launched from al Qaeda in Iraq against U.S. homeland?
Now many of us were saying back in 2004/2005 if,
heaven forbid, there's another 9/11 in America, then
of the next 19 hijackers, I'll almost guarantee one
of them will be Iraqi. And at least part of the plot
will have been hatched here in Iraq.
That being said, while we are seeing the Iraq
veterans -- these guy who come and do a six-month
tour or a 12-month tour in Iraq, blood themselves
against American forces, and go home -- they're
creating a whole new momentum back in their
homelands, be it here in the Middle East, be it in
the Gulf, North Africa or be it back in Europe.
That's being said, also: the true danger of al Qaeda
in Iraq is the template or the model it offers. We've
seen these bombings in the U.K. Now, these guys never
came to Iraq. But as they said themselves, they were
inspired by the war here.
Now in the midst of all of this, despite this
material, this evidence, we must be aware of the spin
-- the smoke and mirrors from the administration,
trying to reshape the message on Iraq being
specifically about al Qaeda -- America's lingering,
most familiar fear, trying to invoke some Pavlovian
response from the American public, to fear them into
again supporting the war. That doesn't quite hold
water -- Wolf.
BLITZER: The outgoing chairman of the Joint Chiefs,
General Peter Pace, is there right now. He says in
the past 24 hours or so he's been there, he's seen --
in his words -- a sea change, a sea change in the
security situation. A very optimistic assessment.
Is that possible?
You've been there for four years. You haven't just
been there for 24 hours.
Do you agree with him that there's been this dramatic
sea change of improvement?
WARE: Well, with the greatest of respect to General
Peter Pace, I mean, I think the general,
unfortunately, is suffering from the luxury of
distance. And I think he's expecting far too much to
be able to peer through the U.S. bubble of protection
in which he operates in his brief fleeting visit to
Iraq.
I mean his briefings would be in the Green Zone. They
would be in formidable American forward operating
bases. I know he had a few hours' trip out to Ramadi.
Again, he would have been in the embrace of the U.S.
military's daunting protection.
You're really not getting a feel for the true
situation on the ground.
Is he right about a sea change?
Yes and no. In al-Anbar Province, where he visited,
yeah, there's been a sea change. Attacks against U.S.
forces by al Qaeda directed or led organizations have
dropped from as much as 80 attacks a day to just 7
attacks two days ago.
But why is that?
It's because the military put pressure on al Qaeda,
sure. The real answer is that America subcontracted
out the fight against al Qaeda to the Baathist
insurgents and the tribes. So he doesn't really tell
us why that sea change occurred.
Is there a sea change in Baghdad?
Well, if he's seeing one, I'm afraid I'm not. And
maybe you can see it from the Green Zone, but you
can't see it out here in the red zone where Iraqis
live -- Wolf.
BLITZER: All right, Michael, thanks very much.
Michael Ware reporting for us from Baghdad.
Thank you.
WARE: Thank you.
BLITZER: Not mincing any words at all.
Let's go to Jack Cafferty in New York. He's given us
his own assessment, what he sees on a day to day
basis. He's been there, as we've often pointed out,
for more than four years.
CAFFERTY: Well, and I think Michael has no particular
vested interest in telling the story one way or the
other. I'm not so sure all of the politicians and
military types can say the same thing.
With all of this saber rattling about al Qaeda-this
and al-Qaeda that, the gut feeling about they might
attack us this summer and they're training in Iraq to
attack the United States, what if -- what if -- we
have 158,000 troops in Iraq.
What if we had spent the last five years with 158,000
soldiers and $500 billion hunting al Qaeda in
Afghanistan and in the border regions next to
Pakistan?
I wonder if we'd still be hearing all of this stuff
about al Qaeda.
What if?