AC: "You either panic or
you do something. And he chose to do something."
Thursday, October 29, 2009
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Michael interviews Chris Turner, who provided
private security for the UN guest house in Kabul
that was attacked by militants yesterday.
JOHN KING,
CNN HOST: First up tonight, what it was like "Up
Close" under attack by people driven enough to die
for their cause and ruthless enough to try and kill
as many civilians as they could in pursuit of it.
Face-to-face with the Taliban during the brazen
daylight attack on the United Nations compound right
in the middle of Kabul; a suicide bombing, then wave
after wave of gunfire. Excluding the attackers, at
least eight people died including one American.
But there's a good chance it would have been a whole
lot worse were it not for the American contractor,
Chris Turner, you're about to meet. Joining us now
with the story and the big "360 Interview," Michael
Ware.
Michael, this is an amazing story Chris Turner has to
tell, isn't it?
MICHAEL WARE, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well,
it's certainly every international worker in Kabul's
nightmare to wake up to a Taliban attack squad
assaulting your building. Now, Chris has been in and
out of Afghanistan since the late '60s. And he says
that he even fought against the Russians with the
Afghans and at one point was detained as a suspected
American spy.
But I spoke to him earlier today from Kabul about the
events of that attack on the U.N. guest house.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
WARE: Thank you for joining us, Chris. Now I know
this area of Kabul where you live. It's fairly
well-to-do. And there is lot of western aid
organizations and even TV networks that live there.
It's a fairly quiet neighborhood.
I mean, what was the first that you knew that you
were coming under attack? Did you wake up to the
sound of gunfire or what happened?
CHRIS TURNER, AMERICAN CONTRACTOR IN AFGHANISTAN:
Yeah. You know, when you've been here as long as I
have and heard as many gunfights as I have, you
understand the distance that a bullet is from you. So
I immediately knew when I heard the small arms fire
that it was in my yard.
WARE: What was going through your mind, Chris?
TURNER: You know, to grab my rifle and as much ammo
as I could carry and get downstairs to where it was
happening.
WARE: And yeah, so let's go through this. You've been
kind enough to draw us a sketch of your compound. And
I mean it looks like a classic Afghan compound.
Take us through where you were when you woke up and
where the attack was coming from.
TURNER: You know, I was on the third floor. It was a
four-story building. I was on the third floor when I
heard the gunfire. I immediately dressed, grabbed my
weapon. And I went out into the hallway.
The U.N. Security Guards were out. We ushered as many
people as we could roust out of the building.
The security guards went out to the front and at the
time I really didn't know how the attack was taking
place. I went out the back. There were approximately
24 people that went out the back of the house. I was
the last out. And they hid in a wash room that was
used by the maids to clean everyone's clothes in the
very back -- against the back wall of the compound.
So there was a courtyard between me and the main
house. I stayed in that court yard and stood guard so
to speak over these people locked up in the wash
room.
It became apparent that the action was in the front
of the house. That's where the U.N. guards went. And
I want to -- I don't want to portray myself as
anything special.
The real heroes of this conflict were the men that
died, the Afghan security, the Afghan police and of
course, the U.N. guards that died in this battle.
I just happened to be the last man standing with a
gun. So I was the one that ultimately protected the
people behind me from being blown up by the suicide
bomber.
WARE: Yeah, I mean, you just feel like you did what
you had to do.
TURNER: Yeah. I mean I was protecting myself as much
as them. You know, in those situations, you are past
the point of thinking and you're just responding.
WARE: You're in the zone, so to speak.
TURNER: Exactly. Exactly.
My concern was just to keep the people that were in
the front who were determined to get to the people in
the back and blow them up.
WARE: Yeah.
TURNER: So by laying down cover and shooting at
anyone trying to get into the back area, I was able
to prolong their advance long enough for the military
to come and to literally kill everybody involved.
WARE: Standing in this courtyard, I mean, you were
fairly exposed while others are huddling in this wash
room. Did you actually get to see any of the
militants? I mean, I believe one of the -- you were
able to ward off a suicide bomber. Did you see these
guys?
TURNER: Yeah. Yeah, I saw one. The one that tried to
come to the back of the home, the one I shot at. I
saw him, yes.
I don't know if I hit him or not, but he fell back.
And I hear later that he went through the -- went
back to the front of the house and bombed these U.N.
guards that were there and I think one female U.N.
worker that was trying to escape through the front
was killed in the explosion.
WARE: And, Chris, I know it's still very soon after,
but how are you feeling about the whole incident now?
Have you had time to replay it in your head? I mean
how are you processing this?
TURNER: You know, I'm just very fortunate that I
survived. And I'm tickled to death that as many
people did get out of there alive. I think if we
hadn't been armed, if there hadn't been private
contractors there with weapons, it could have been a
real massacre.
WARE: After an attack predawn on somebody's guest
house, I mean there must be great nervousness now
among the international community in Kabul.
TURNER: Yes. I think Kabul has always been kind of a
haven and people felt, you know, extremely safe here.
But I think those days are over.
WARE: Absolutely. And what about yourself, Chris?
After all of this, with the Taliban threatening more,
I mean, this doesn't look like there is peace going
to be around the corner. Do you plan to leave in the
next few days or are you going to stay there?
TURNER: No, no. I'm not leaving. I have a commitment
to the people I work with. I feel I'm doing something
productive in this country. I'm helping on a lot of
different levels. I have no intention of leaving. I
will buy more bullets.
WARE: Actually, Chris, I figured both of those
answers before you even said them.
Thank you very much for joining us. And it's still an
extraordinary thing what you did. Thank you very
much.
TURNER: Thank you. I appreciate it. Bye.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
WARE: And the U.N. workers who were at that guest
house with him who survived the Taliban onslaught had
been evacuated from the country, so we've been unable
to verify Chris Turner's story.
But it certainly is an extraordinary one that brings
to light, as I said, the nightmare that every member
of the international community has living in Kabul --
John.
KING: Michael, a couple of quick things. Let's start
with this cool customer. He says he hears the
gunfire. He knows from experience how close it is.
Most people would run, they would hide, or they would
panic.
He says, well, I grabbed my rifle and as much ammo as
I could get and I went down to fight them; pretty
remarkable.
WARE: Yes, well I mean, I guess if he's been hanging
around there since the late '60s and if he did fight
against the Soviets, as he claims, then yeah, it
wouldn't have been his first firefight. And to be
honest, you either panic or you do something. And he
chose to do something.
So, you have to give the man credit for keeping his
head and thinking of others. You know, it's just
something I guess that one hopes one never has to do
-- John.
KING: And to the point, Michael, he made about the
situation, he's been there so long. He just knows
that Kabul is not the haven it once was. What does
that tell you about the longer term challenge facing
the Afghan government but also the President of the
United States as he makes a big decision about
troops?
WARE: Well, the fact that the capital now -- there is
this rising tension. I mean it's never been a safe
place. But at least you could move around. You could
even go to dinner, I don't think many people will be
traveling out for dinner this week during the
evening.
But I mean that also speaks to what the fact that,
you know, Highway Number One can hardly be used by
local Afghans because the Taliban control it, the
main national highway. It is just one more thing that
speaks of the terrible dilemma militarily and
politically that President Obama finds in front of
him with Afghanistan. I wish the president the best
of luck in figuring out his strategy -- John.
KING: Michael Ware for us tonight. Great insights and
a fabulous interview. Thank you, Michael.