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ANDERSON COOPER: Welcome
back, we are in Baquba, Iraq. There is a -- the
elections yesterday were truly historic. Millions of
Iraqis turning out to vote, voter turnout among the
Sunnis was far higher, of course, than it has ever been
before. CNN -- man! I did it again. "Time" magazine's
Baghdad Bureau Chief Michael Ware joins us from
Baghdad.
Michael Ware, every time I introduce you, I say you
work for CNN. But you don't, I don't know why I'm
obsessed with that.
Uh, I have to ask you Michael about what CNN has
learned about Abu Musab al Zarqawi, we have learned
today, Nic Robertson reporting, that he was, at one
point, was in Iraqi custody back in 2004. And they let
him go because they didn't recognize him. What have you
heard about it?
MICHAEL WARE, BAGHDAD BUREAU CHIEF, "TIME": Well, I
haven't heard anything specific on it yet. And I have
to say, anything that is sourced out of this Iraqi
government, particularly as it pertains to Abu Musab al
Zarqawi, I'm particularly dubious of. However, any of
this is plausible. I mean, I have no doubt whatsoever
that Zarqawi himself will have passed through countless
American checkpoints.
We know that there has been several near misses. In
fact, some of the special task force that almost nabbed
him in February, American Special Forces, very elite
commandos, said to me, you've got to respect this guy.
His tradecraft is number one. So anything is possible,
Anderson.
COOPER: I don't understand, though, how can he have
alluded capture -- if in fact he has -- how can he have
alluded capture for so long. I mean, everyone around
must -- wherever he is living -- must know he's there,
no?
WARE: I suspect they don't. In fact, I would imagine,
that Zarqawi travels with a very small coterie. It
wouldn't be like a bin Laden of old, moving about with
a phalanx of body guards -- not at all. That's not Abu
Musab al Zarqawi.
As U.S. intelligence says, this guy is a professional.
His tradecraft in the covert, spying business is well
etched. He has had professional training, some U.S.
intelligence officials believe, so you could be right
next to this guy and you wouldn't have a clue. His
appearance constantly changes. He rarely stays in the
one place for very long. I think he could be sleeping
in the next room and you wouldn't know it, to be
honest, Anderson.
COOPER: Michael, you recently interviewed some
insurgents. What did they say about Abu Musab al
Zarqawi, about their relationship to these foreign
fighters?
WARE: Well, what the senior Baathist commanders and
Iraqi nationalist commanders, and Iraqi Islamists
commanders, all did was paint a picture of a shift
within the insurgency. The tectonic plates have moved
yet again.
One year ago, Zarqawi ruled supreme. His influence was
so great that he could dictate the momentum in many,
many ways. And he would confront the home-grown Iraqi
groups who could not stand up to him. Now, however,
Zarqawi's group has been Iraqified. Iraqis who joined
in the lower ranks have risen up the channels, to the
point, according to a Baathist liaison with Zarqawi's
group, that should he be killed today, he would be
replaced by an Iraqi. This means that Zarqawi's al
Qaeda is listening much more to the Iraqi nationalist
groups. And that's why we saw so little violence on
election day today in Iraq, Anderson.
COOPER: "Time" magazine's Michael Ware. Michael, thanks
very much. Appreciate it.
WARE: My pleasure.