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ANDERSON COOPER: An
extraordinary report out of Iraq that Sunni insurgents
here are actually telling foreign terrorists, Al Qaeda
in Iraq, not to get involved, not to interfere in
Thursday's historic elections. We're joined now by
CNN's -- by "TIME" magazine's, I should say -- maybe
someday CNN's, Michael Ware.
MICHAEL WARE, TIME MAGAZINE CORRESONDENT: Insha'allah.
COOPER: Insha'allah. Thanks very much for joining us.
You spent a lot of time with these insurgents. Is this
for real? Why would Sunni insurgents be telling Al
Qaeda in Iraq, don't interfere with the elections?
WARE: Anderson, this is the two faces of this war.
There's a homegrown insurgency, a war of liberation, if
you will. And then there's the imported holy war, or
terrorist war. And here we see them clash. The
homegrown insurgents have a political agenda. They want
to see a political dimension to the insurgency emerge.
They've told their fighters, they've told their
supporters, go and vote just like you did on October 15
for the referendum. And just like the referendum,
they've been saying to Zarqawi's people, just sit down.
For one day, sit down. So unlike the January election,
during the referendum, Anderson, we saw not one Zarqawi
attack or suicide bombing because he was told to back
off.
COOPER: But, I mean a year ago in the January
elections, they were talking about, you know, the
streets running red with the blood of anyone who voted.
Do the Sunni insurgents feel they made a mistake in
doing that?
WARE: Well, as I was talking to one of their most
senior strategists just yesterday -- this is a man very
much within the inner circle of one of the most
powerful factions -- it's a response to two things. One
is he said, yes this is answering to the constituency,
listening to our people, to our community who want to
vote. But don't forget, the Baathists and the
independent fighters, the Nationalists -- they were
telling me back in 2003 that they saw that this was a
two-track war with a political and a military front.
They talked about Ho Chi Minh, Che Guevara, and they
talked about Sinn Fein, very much like the political
process in Northern Ireland.
COOPER: And so, I mean, there is this tension between
the two -- I mean, for a long time -- I remember when I
first came here, I was talking to you. They were
talking about, you know, trying to drive a wedge
between the nationalists and these foreign terrorist. I
mean, is that still possible? Is there a tension? Is
there a space between them?
WARE: I mean, this has been a marriage of
inconvenience. It's very much odd bedfellows, secular
Baathists and homegrown Iraqi nationalists working
together with both foreign and Iraqi Islamists, who
want to bring about a very different kind of society
here in Iraq. However, they have a common enemy right
now, so they are working together. This schism, this
tension has always existed. But what we've seen is the
Iraqification of Zarqawi's organization. As his foreign
leaders have been killed or captured, Iraqis have risen
up. And they find it much easier to talk to their old
friends from the Republican Guard.
COOPER: So if the U.S. withdrew or, you know, to some
extent, stepped back their forces, would that take away
the fight from some of these nationalists insurgents?
WARE: Very much. The sole cause, their motivation, is
to resist the occupation. And as the top Baathists have
said, and as the top Iraqi Islamists have said, the
association of Muslim scholars say, "give us a time
table for withdrawal. Be genuine about your intent to
support us and empower us and we will stand up to
Zarqawi for you." U.S. military intelligence is looking
for exactly this. This is why Ambassador Khalilzad and
U.S. military intelligence says they are bringing back
the Baath party because they are against Zarqawi and
together they can root him out from Iraq, they believe.
COOPER: "TIME Magazine" Michael Ware. Michael, always
good to talk to you.
WARE: Thank you.
COOPER: All right, stay safe.
He hustled over here. It's not an easy thing to do at
this time in the morning. So we do appreciate
it.