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ANDERSON COOPER: Michael
Ware, TIME Magazine's Baghdad bureau chief is standing
by for us in Baghdad. We're going to talk to him
shortly.
We're going to take a quick break.
We actually do have Michael Ware and it's live
television and it is Iraq. Let's go to Michael in
Baghdad. Michael, one of the big stories this week, of
course, is that insurgents -- Sunni based insurgents --
were telling Al-Zarqawi, were telling Zarqawi's groups
here in Iraq, foreign terrorists, not to attack on
polling day. That is a huge development.
MICHAEL WARE, TIME MAGAZINE: Yes it is, Anderson. We've
seen this play out once before on the October 15
referendum. On that day there were zero suicide
bombings. Unlike the first election in January, when
there were seven. That's a result of the Baathist
insurgents and the nationalist insurgents telling
Zarqawi to sit down for one day -- "allow us and our
people to participate in this process."
Now the Baathists, the nationalists and the Iraqi
Islamic groups have done that again today. They've
urged their people to participate. This means Zarqawi
must restrain from attacking. He is very much the wild
card today.
And already now here in Baghdad, we've heard the first
big explosion. So, who knows what's going to happen --
Anderson.
COOPER: Michael, I should also just tell our viewers we
are -- we understand Nic Robertson is fine. He is off
camera. We're continuing to keep up the scene in Ramadi
where Nic sort of had to quickly leave the scene. But
we're going to continue that shot up to try to get the
latest developments out of Ramadi.
Michael, what -- I mean, what is the significance of
today? I mean, how important do you think this is in
terms of the insurgency? What impact does a high
turnout have on the future of the violence here?
WARE: Well, the U.S. diplomats have hoped that every
Sunni vote would be a vote against the violence and
against the insurgency. However, that's not going to be
the case. As we saw with the referendum, the insurgents
are pursuing a two-track policy. One is military, one
is political. They call it the bullet and the ballots.
They're trying to use military pressure to work on a
political front and for the politics to assist in the
military campaign. So we will not see any cessation of
the fighting after this election.
And just like in Ramadi, where Nic is right now, this
is a city that Zarqawi controls. So it's in places like
Ramadi where we will see the true nature of the
insurgency. Who is in charge out there? If Zarqawi does
not restrain himself in Ramadi, that is going to tell
us many things about the state of the fight.
COOPER: But if he does restrain himself, does that mean
that the Sunni insurgents -- who are, in terms of
numbers, certainly have the greatest numbers in this
insurgency; I mean, Zarqawi, the foreign terrorists are
by all accounts a relatively small percentage, though
in terms of lethality and political impact they're
perhaps the greatest -- if he does not attack today,
does that mean that it is the Sunni insurgents who are
really in control, who are really running this thing or
will be in the future?
WARE: Well, it certainly shows us that they have
regained the upper hand. In 2003, this was very much an
Iraqi nationalist fight. However, throughout 2004, we
saw Zarqawi with his money and with the zealotry and
commitment of his foreign fighters, take over the
insurgency, or he certainly gained the momentum.
Throughout this year we've seen much more of a struggle
out there among the insurgents. And as Zarqawi has had
to fill the ranks of his Al Qaeda organization with
Iraqis, we have seen it soften. We have seen it begin
to listen much more to the Iraqi insurgent groups. So
today will tell us a great deal about the nature of
these relationships. And it could bode well for the
U.S. mission as American diplomats and military
officers reach out to the Iraqi Baathists and
nationalist insurgent groups. If we see them with the
upper hand, that means this program of outreach has
much better prospects for success for quelling the
violence.
COOPER: Michael Ware, of "TIME Magazine," Baghdad
bureau chief. Michael, thanks, it's always good to talk
to you -- especially today.