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GEORGE NEGUS: This is
Michael Ware speaking to us last night from Baghdad.
Michael, for your sins you've been there in Baghdad
more or less since the outset of war back in 2003. How
would you describe the situation on the ground in Iraq
from a US perspective right now?
MICHAEL WARE, CNN BAGHDAD CORRESPONDENT: Well, George,
it's nothing short of dire. There's no other way to
describe it. Right now the US military is adopting its
new strategy and fighting for victory but that victory
is very narrowly defined. What we are talking about is
essentially just dampening down the violence in the
capital, Baghdad. The reason for that being to give the
political apparatus, this so-called Iraqi government, a
chance to breathe and make political developments. But
meanwhile the rest of the country continues to be
aflame as does the capital itself. We're seeing -- this
is becoming a military sinkhole, costing the US around
$2 million a week, on average something like three
American lives a day. This whole war has radicalised
this region instead of democratising it. And we are
seeing the enemies that America came to target,
principally Iran and al-Qaeda, emboldened as a result
of this war and not weakened. And they consider it a
good month when only 1200 tortured and executed bodies
are found on the streets of Baghdad. So it's pretty
dire, George.
GEORGE NEGUS: Well, it has been six months of the
so-called surge now by the US. Would you say the
conditions in Iraq are any better or worse?
MICHAEL WARE: Well, the surge has been a slow wind-up
and it finally came to its peak a few weeks ago once
all the troops were here and the US launched a series
of massive operations involving up to 50,000 combat
troops and assets. It;s essentially the largest
offensive since the invasion itself. Now, they're
trying to lock down the capital, that is having a
minimal effect. They're trying to cut off the
insurgents' supply lines. We have seen them attempt
that before. I expect it will be no more successful
than in the past. So the surge is having an impact but
is it turning the tide of the war, is it buying that
time for national reconciliation that the US
Administration is desperately seeking? No, in those
senses, it is not achieving that.
GEORGE NEGUS: Many of course are saying that if America
pulls out, is it ready to pay the price? What's the
price of pulling out, Michael?
MICHAEL WARE: You will see an expansion of Iranian
influence. Already Iran has greater sway over the
government here in Baghdad than do the Americans. You
will see that consolidated. You'll see Iraqi Shia
militia with even increased support, funding and
training than they are getting now from the Iranian
armed forces. At the same time, you can't see America's
Sunni Arab allies like Egypt and Saudi Arabia and
Jordan sit back and watch the advancement of a regional
power they consider to be hostile. You could see
regional skirmishes, if not border-scale conflicts. And
one thing is for sure the blood will flow here in Iraq.
Now, any of these factors could start to happen as soon
as America gets below a certain threshold of troop
levels. That will further destabilise the region rather
than stabilising it like the war was supposed to do.
And it will ever weaken a sense of American power and
American interests in this region rather than
strengthen them. So they're the prices America is going
to have to pay if it wants to pull out its troops at
this moment.
GEORGE NEGUS: Surge or no surge, Michael, where to from
here?
MICHAEL WARE: The coalition still isn't fighting this
war. The troop levels they currently have aren't enough
to do what they set out to do. And we're not seeing the
balance provided in terms of real economic aid, real
reconstruction. We're not seeing that all-encompassing
holistic approach that counter-insurgencies desperately
need for them to be won.
GEORGE NEGUS: Just in the last few days, the US
commander in Iraq - General Petraeus - put a minimum of
10 years on the insurgency. Are you as pessimistic as
him?
MICHAEL WARE: No insurgency has never been defeated by
less. This is a very slow fight here in Iraq. And we
are seeing it metastasizing, constantly morphing,
reinventing itself. This war is going nowhere soon,
George.