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JIM CLANCY:
Religion forcing its way onto the agenda of the
American political scene, but there is an issue that is
out there in the minds of American voters, and it
certainly is number one in many's minds, the war in
Iraq.
The top U.S. military commander there pointing to a
drop in violence again. General David Petraeus cited a
60 percent decline in weekly attacks and civilian
deaths over the last six months. He credits several
factors to the drop in the violence. Petraeus says
cleric Muqtada al-Sadr's call for his followers to
honor a cease-fire one of the things, one of those
factors that helped. The general also credits the U.S.
efforts, including the troop surge and more aggressive
operations against militias.
Well, despite the drop in violence, General Petraeus
says he's not celebrating, no dancing in the end zone,
as he said. He says 2007 has been the deadliest year
for U.S. troops since the start of the war four years
ago.
Michael Ware joins us now live from Baghdad.
All of this timed, all of this coming out -- yes, it's
the beginning of the month when these numbers usually
do come out, but also you've got the secretary of
defense there. What kind of a message is it that we're
hearing from Iraq today? And does that message jibe
with what you see on the streets?
MICHAEL WARE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yes, it does, Jim. I
mean, honestly, this is extremely old news.
Since October, we have heard the top U.S. commander
saying that violence levels are back down to what they
were before the Samarra shrine bombing in February 2006
which sparked a civil war. So, this is not a
revelation.
U.S. commanders have been hammering and hammering and
hammering this stunning success, and that's precisely
what it is. More lives are being saved. Less Americans
are dying. And more importantly, or just as
importantly, less Iraqi innocent civilians are dying as
well. That's women and children.
However, there's consequences. There's cause -- there's
action and there's reaction.
Now, part of that is that America has built Sunni
militias. Now, they're going to have to contend with
that in the future.
Another part is that an accommodation has to be found
with Iran. We now see American commanders saying
Iranian activity is dropping, but we don't know why,
yet we also believe they're still training Iraqis to
come and attack us. So Iran still remains a huge
mystery.
And the other thing is they're showing that they're
tired of this government. The Americans are losing
faith in this government's ability to deliver because
all of the success, this 60 percent drop in violence,
will be squandered, say U.S. commanders, if there's not
real reconciliation by the time the 30,000 U.S. troops
go home next summer, Jim.
There's always a price to pay for things.
CLANCY: Well, a lot of military commanders are saying
that you can't just start pulling out troops because
the numbers are down for precisely the reasons that you
are talking about there. What do the Sunnis want? So
many have joined these -- you know, the so-called local
militias now being funded to the tune of $200 or $300 a
month per man. They're functioning as police.
WARE: Yes.
CLANCY: The government though says we're not going to
take them in. They want to save those police jobs,
those salaries on the budgets, and hand it out to their
own political supporters. In this case, the Shia
Alliance.
WARE: Well, that's right. I mean, there's a lot of
political patronage here. And that's really what we're
talking about at the end of the day.
I mean, one of the major factions within this
government, arguably one of the most dominant, was
created back in 1982 in Tehran. Its armed militia is
one of the most sophisticated in the country. And top
American political analysts and strategists here on the
ground say they don't know how to break the back of
that organization.
Now, until you do, you're not really going to make
headway toward reconciliation. Part of it has been
cutting a deal with the Sunni Ba'athist insurgents,
Saddam's former military and intelligence apparatus
that America has been fighting all these years. The
question is, why didn't they cut this deal three years
ago?
And overlaying all of this is Iran, the Sunnis' fear of
Iran and Iran's backing of the government that's not
delivering to America. It's still a very complicated
picture, and that's why General Petraeus is being told
by his commanders, "It's looking good, sir, but it
could turn on a dime and be back to the hellish numbers
that we saw before."
And these troops are leaving anyway. We're simply going
back to the numbers we used to have. It's not like a
drawdown as a result of this stunning success -- Jim.
CLANCY: Michael, a final question, and that is about
the government itself. There was a knockdown, drag-out
once again inside the parliament with a Shia lawmaker
saying that he had evidence that his Sunni counterpart
was plotting against him. The lack of trust among the
people that have to lead this country is making any
progress impossible.
Is the U.S. here powerless to do anything to step in
and force the Maliki government -- force both sides,
really, to come together here? They still haven't
decided on an oil law to share the wealth, they haven't
set the borders of the provinces, shared -- none of it.
WARE: The main problem is, Jim, that the very
institutions of power, or certainly those who hold
them, the framework of political control in this
country, is geared against all of America's interests.
And America is finding it harder than it ever thought
it would be to break those. So, now, more than ever,
America is continuing to work with this Iraqi
government, but it's looking for alternatives. It's
turning to the people. People power.
If the government won't change, then let's empower the
people. Let's give them the weapons. Let's allow them
to patrol their streets. Let's fund them if the
government won't. And let's erode this block on power
that's preventing real reconciliation.
So, the very government America created, it's tried to
coerce, it's tried to help, now it's starting to erode
because it's becoming more of a hindrance than a help.
Now, America has no set path, but nonetheless, the road
ahead is still difficult and there's so many factors
yet to be taken into account -- Jim.
CLANCY: All right. The casualties are down, the risks
ever present.
Michael Ware from Baghdad.
As always, Michael, great to have you with
us.