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ANDERSON COOPER: It has
been nearly six months since the U.S. increased its
troop levels in Iraq, and today U.S. military
commanders said major attacks are declining. Officials
said there were about half as many truck bombs and
other large al Qaeda-style attacks in July as in March.
Of course, any reduction in the violence is great news,
but the question is are major attacks declining as a
direct result of the so-called troop surge? That's
where things get more complicated.
Joining me now is CNN's Michael Ware.
Michael, the U.S. military commander in Iraq says that
large-scale al Qaeda-style attacks have declined by
almost 50 percent this year, down to 70 attacks a month
from a high of 130. Is this because of more boots on
the ground?
MICHAEL WARE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Anderson, the
surge is a part of it. Militarily, the surge is
designed to deny al Qaeda and the Shia death squads the
freedom of movement they once had in Baghdad.
Are they doing that? Yeah, to some degree. The surge
has shown some successes.
But the real success, Anderson, is coming from
something totally different, and that is coming from
America cutting deals with its former enemies,
principally the Ba'athist insurgents, the Sunni
insurgents.
It's by cutting a deal with the Ba'ath Party on the
terms that the Ba'ath Party offered America four years
ago -- and had to wait for America to be battered into
submission to accept -- that the tide has turned
against al Qaeda.
It's by unleashing the Ba'ath that the al Qaeda bombs
are coming down, that the al Qaeda attacks are starting
to slow down, not directly from the surge and not from
the presence of U.S. troops.
What the U.S. troops are doing is giving a set of
numbers, a series of data, a number of lowered attack
figures that may give the military the political cover
it needs in Washington. But at the end of the day, by
cutting these deals the seeds are being sown for a much
broader, more entrenched civil war that America will
leave behind.
COOPER: Which is a long-term issue, not something which
in the immediate, in the short term is, you know, is on
the front burner.
WARE: Absolutely. I mean, right now the administration
from President Bush on is pointing to an op-ed piece
that appeared in "The New York Times" by two
well-respected Brookings Institute figures, Michael
O'Hanlon and Kenneth Pollack.
Now, they say that "yes, we were critics of the war,
and we're seeing now positive signs." Yet even they
said that what the surge is doing is not enough to
produce victory, but it may produce a level of
stability both we and the Iraqi people can live with.
Think about that. What we're saying is this isn't an
American win. America is not on track to win this war.
Even the president is not saying that. It just might be
enough for America to get out of this war and not worry
about the tens of thousands who will die at the hands
of American-supported Sunni militias and
Iranian-supported Shia militias.
Don't forget, by supporting the Sunnis in the way that
they are, the American administration right now is
picking sides in the civil war.
COOPER: In terms of talking about big al Qaeda-style
attacks and this number reduction, in terms of the
success story, what about sectarian violence? Has this
escalation of troops had an impact on that?
WARE: No, not really. It's forced it to displace, it's
forced it to morph and to adapt as we always expected
it will.
Now the number of bodies -- tortured, mutilated,
victims of sectarian death squads -- that are showing
up on the streets of Baghdad continue to rise and fall.
Right now, there's less than there used to be, but by
less that's still 20 tortured people showing up every
morning.
Now, the numbers are down for a number of reasons. One
is two million people have fled the country. Another
two million are displaced internally in refugee camps,
so there's simply fewer targets. And of those who
remain in the capital and in the villages surrounding,
they now must live in segregated communities, heavily
defended by their own militias, be they American-backed
Sunni militias or Iranian-backed Shia militias. No one
lives together anymore, very, very few people. This
place has been ethnically cleansed and segregated.
So deaths are down because it's much harder to kill
each other -- until the Americans withdraw and the real
battle begins.
COOPER: Complicated picture. Michael Ware, we
appreciate it. Thanks, Michael.