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COOPER: Some late news on the war tonight from Capitol
Hill. Senate Republicans have agreed to allow debate on
a Democratic bill to pull troops out of Iraq.
Said Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell of
Kentucky, he and his members oppose the bill, but
welcome the debate as a way of airing what he calls the
extraordinary progress in Iraq over the last six months
-- another sign, perhaps, that the war is no longer
universally viewed as political poison.
Some perspective now from Michael Ware, who is in
Baghdad tonight, as he has been since the war began.
Michael, in terms of long term, I mean, how do you
measure the progress, militarily and politically?
MICHAEL WARE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Anderson,
clearly, there has been progress in this war. I mean,
the number of deaths of both American troops and
civilians are clearly down. In Baghdad alone, comparing
this month to the same month last year, 1,000 people
died from terrorist attacks last year, less than 200
this year, 800 from sectarian killings last year, only
about 40 this year.
There's a number of factors to consider. One is, what
is the price of this? Let's look at the surge. What is
the surge? I know it's taken on a phenomenon, this
phrase, in America, and in the political campaigns.
But, whilst it's been successful, there's none of the
triumphalism that we hear from the campaigns here on
the ground, nor is anyone setting benchmarks for
withdrawal. It's far too fragile for that.
The surge is much more than just 30,000 troops. It's
about cutting a deal with the Sunni insurgents, about
getting the Shia militias to back off and what that
takes. It's about the political surge forcing the
politicians to move, which is going much more slowly.
It's not just about American boots on the ground. And
there's long-term consequences for all of these things
that none of the candidates are talking about. And how
sustainable is this? There will be costs in the future.
Again, the American people need to hear this, Anderson.
So, what's happening on the ground is indeed a success
in many ways. But you're not getting the full picture
on the campaign trail, and perhaps that shouldn't
surprise anyone -- Anderson.
COOPER: When you talk to soldiers -- and that's sort of
the perspective on most of the military leaders you
talk to probably on a daily basis -- what are they
saying about troop levels down the road? I mean, in
order to sustain the military side of this, in order to
sustain the military successes that universally just
everyone has said we have seen, what kind of troop
levels do you need down the road?
I read some report by Anthony Cordesman recently, and I
think they were talking about 100,000 troops well into
2016, I think.
WARE: Well, that's certainly a number that members of
the Iraqi government are bandying about, 100,000 U.S.
troops, down from what we will soon have of just over
130,000.
And, certainly, there's an expectation that America
will hit that by the end of the year, an expectation
held by some Iraqis. That's not necessarily an
expectation held by American war commanders here on the
ground.
Now, after the surge troops -- the 30,000 extra combat
forces that were sent here to flush through this war
last year -- once they go home in July, American force
levels, American combat power will have been reduced by
25 percent already. Nonetheless, we're still going to
have more Americans here after the surge, just by a few
thousand, than before. So, in some ways, that's not a
true indicator.
But I can tell you now, Anderson, Senator McCain
mentioned 100 years American troops will be here. No
one can speak to that. But I can tell you that American
commanders here on the ground know that they're going
to be here a lot longer than many people would
otherwise expect.
Certainly, this sense of, once people get into office
they will start pulling the troops home, is not a view
shared by many here on the ground. And many believe
that what's being said on the campaign will not
necessarily be the action that a new president will
take, no matter what party they're from. There's
realities here. You just can't pull out -- Anderson.
COOPER: Last January, when the president announce the
so-called surge, he laid out 15 political benchmarks
the Iraqi government needed to meet. Yesterday, John
McCain said that with almost of them, we're either
making progress or have succeeded.
Is that the view you hear from the political leaders on
the ground, Iraqi and American?
WARE: Well, certainly from the State Department. They
believe that what they call the political surge, which
has been an unsung success of all of this, has been
working.
And they're talking about the benchmarks. Absolutely,
there's been significant gains on the political front.
The deals that have been cut, the way Baghdad has been
segregated off with massive blast barriers, so that it
resembles a sectarian divided Sarajevo, where people
can't cross the lines, has brought deaths down and
bought some breathing room for political progress.
But, again, there's a cost for that. Can you pull the
barriers down? No, or the bloodletting will resume.
But, on the benchmarks, there has been progress on many
of the fronts. But, again, remember, what are the
costs? How long can it last? And don't forget, it's all
completely underwritten by the presence of more than
100,000 U.S. troops keeping everybody apart --
Anderson.
COOPER: All right. Michael Ware. Appreciate the
reporting, Michael. Thank you very much, from Baghdad
tonight.