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KIRAN
CHETRY: Welcome back to AMERICAN MORNING.
Barack Obama says he'll visit Iraq and Afghanistan
before Election Day, but Obama and his opponent John
McCain have some big differences over just how they
would wage the war in Iraq and how they would end it.
McCain says Obama is wrong for opposing the surge, and
Obama says McCain's judgment is flawed.
So we're going to go to the war zone to get some
answers. Our Michael Ware, live in Baghdad for us. And
you know, Barack Obama spoke with Iraq's foreign
minister. One of the things he talked about was
reiterating this plan to pull out. Is there concern on
the ground, Michael, about a possible Obama presidency?
MICHAEL WARE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, not in the
sense, perhaps, people in America might think.
Certainly within the Iraqi government, the general mood
is that, yes, they would like American troops to leave
but in a gradual way. Essentially the Iraqis want to
get their hands on this war.
They want to take over their own country. Now, some in
the current administration believes the threat of
withdrawal is a stick with which to motivate the Iraqi
government. That just isn't so. So while officially
there's very little support for an immediate American
withdrawal, many of the Iraqis certainly would like to
see the Americans start going home, though they'd like
to have continued support.
But bottom line, you know, people here on the ground
are far too worried about getting sewage off their
streets, hoping for some trickle of electricity, and
literally manning the barricades around their
communities here in Baghdad to really have much of a
concern about the change in presidency. Most Iraqis
think it will be much of a much, they'll just see a
continuation of what they think is ongoing American
policy -- Kiran.
CHETRY: The foreign minister also saying this morning
that there is a security agreement within reach to be
hammered out with Americans. What are still the biggest
points of contention?
WARE: Well, obviously from -- you know, this is
happening on several levels, there's the nature of U.S.
bases, the rights to Iraqi air space, that kind of
thing. But really what's at stake here is will America
be able to continue fighting its war here in Iraq.
What the Iraqis want, according to an aide to the prime
minister, is for Americans to be set on certain bases
and to be forced to remain there. And if they want to
leave those bases they have to ask the Iraqis'
permission. That will impede any bid to curb Iranian
influence or indeed to attack al Qaeda.
But more greatly, beyond the conduct of war is the
victory or defeat of the U.S. mission. And that's going
to be seen in things about who's going to control the
intelligence services here in Iraq.
Right now, the CIA runs one of them. An Iranian-based
faction runs another. Under this agreement that Baghdad
has to strike with Washington if it decides it wants to
continue that kind of relationship, what becomes of the
intelligence agencies?
America doesn't want to see Iran running the show. But
if that's the Iraqis choice, they're technically free
to make it -- Kiran.
CHETRY: Very interesting. Sounds like there is still a
lot to be hammered out. Michael Ware for us in Baghdad
today, thanks -- John.
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KIRAN
CHETRY, CNN ANCHOR: Speaking of Barack Obama, he says
he'll be visiting Iraq and Afghanistan before Election
Day. But Obama and his opponent, John McCain have some
critical differences over how to wage the war in Iraq
and how to end it.
McCain says Obama is wrong for opposing the surge, and
Obama says that McCain's judgment is flawed, so we're
going to the war zone now for some answers.
Our Michael Ware is live in Baghdad.
And Barack Obama spoke by phone with Iraq's foreign
minister and talked once again, reiterating his plan
for withdrawal. How is that being received and what
would it be like with an Obama presidency when it comes
to Iraq?
MICHAEL WARE, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well,
Kiran, honestly, I really think it's time for Senator
Obama to come clean. Now, it's fine for Senator Obama
to have his strategy to pull American troops home. I
mean, who back in the States doesn't want that? Who
doesn't want to see this war end? And that's a fine
policy to have.
But Senator Obama, let's hear your real analysis of
what the nature of this war is. Who America's really
fighting and who's really winning and who's really
losing. Then let's hear for once from Senator Obama
what the implications will be of his plan.
Tell us what will be the consequences to America's
interests, to the price of oil and let's hear that
you're prepared to bear those costs for your plan to
withdraw American troops.
Now, talking to the Iraqi foreign minister is a fine
thing to do, and he must be commended for it. But I've
heard the foreign minister talk for hours in his
well-polished diplomatic way and never say a word.
You're not going to be getting the real picture out of
the foreign minister of Iraq -- Kiran.
CHETRY: And give us your perspective. What is that real
picture?
WARE: Well, basically, this is a war against Iran or a
war of conflict or contest for influence between
Washington and Tehran. This war is not about al Qaeda,
if indeed it ever was. This war has been about Iran
from the beginning, and it's only taken the last year
and a half for the military to wake up to that. And I'd
like to hear the campaigns address that. And in that
contest for influence in this country, America is
currently losing. The president of Iraq -- according to
America's war commander, General David Petraeus -- it's
just a reality of life that he's an agent of influence
for Iran.
That all the major factions of this government were
actually created inside Iran or received weapons and
funding from Iran or at least have long-standing ties
to Iran. So that's the real situation on the ground.
You might have something looking good on paper with the
numbers of civilian and military deaths down, and
that's welcome. But there's a big price to pay for this
and there's a big winner. And right now, it's not
America. Let's hear from the campaigns on this --
Kiran.
CHETRY: Michael Ware for us in Baghdad this morning.
Thank you.